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The taller they are, the more they have to sway. The wind effect is related to the area exposed to the wind, plus the leverage from the secure bottom. Anything over 50 stories, if you close your eyes, you can feel it.
No thanks.
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Assistant Village Idiot
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2026-06-02 19:01
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I recall being in NYC in the winter, and getting the impression that the high buildings created wind tunnels, which appeared to increase the effect of the wind. Definitely not common sense to construct matchstick buildings.
AVT, here is a reply to an interchange of yours regarding the difficulty of obtaining one's birth certificate.
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From what I've seen this is far more difficult if you were born in a state with an unaccountable bureaucracy such as Connecticut (long sad story, and wasn't for me) and if you attempt to obtain the birth certificate without traveling to Hartford between certain weekday hours. It requires waiting at least 4 months and numerous phone calls so they understand that you really need that which you paid for and they owe you, that which they sit on.
So they may have a point after all, but it's not at all the point they are making.
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AsstVillageIdiot Wyman
A fair point
I was born and raised in Connecticut. Several years ago I needed to get my birth certificate to renew my TX driver's license. I called the town clerk where I was born, found out what I needed to get a birth certificate, and mailed payment plus appropriate documents. Within TEN DAYS, I had a copy of my birth certificate. Given the time involved in snail mail, this was done as quickly as possible.
While the bureaucracy of CT's state government may be "unaccountable" ----I have no reason to dispute that allegation----from my experience the bureaucracy at the town level is operating as it should.
I worked on the 94th floor of the South Tower of the World Trade Center for a decade. The sway was physically disorienting on very windy days- which were often. Ceiling fixtures moving overhead in the dining room, the scary creaking sounds, the moving toilet water were all bad, but not as bad as the jolting, abrupt stops of the outside elevators when their wall banging reached critical levels. Then you were handcranked either up or down to an available floor. Add in the disorientation of being in the clouds most of the time, and it was a terrible experience.
I'm not sure that regulating the "livability" of a building is a good idea. It sounds like it would have to be a lot of vague edicts that would hamstring developers and boost the cost of development. The amount of sway the building would experience was known. If you want to live there (I can't imagine anyone wanting to do that but there are some who are very motivated to.) than you should be prepared for that.
What makes sense to me is that the infrastructure of the building (pipes, elevators, drywall, etc.) continue to perform their functions during the anticipated movement of the building. Are we to believe that the architects and engineers correctly anticipated the sway of the building but didn't take into account the effect of that movement on the non-structural parts of the building???
Are we to believe that the architects and engineers correctly anticipated the sway of the building but didn't take into account the effect of that movement on the non-structural parts of the building???
The design had open mechanical floors every 12 floors. The open mechanical floors did what they were designed to do--reduce oscillation, reduce sway, etc.
However, the utilities in the open mechanical floors were designed for use in enclosed buildings. Open mechanical floors, by definition, were exposed to the outside elements. When exposed to the outside elements---rain, snow, wind, cold----the utilities deteriorated: rust, scale, cracks, etc. The flooding, the pipe failures, etc., were traced back to the mechanical floors being exposed to the outside elements.
This was not rocket science. Someone with a high school education and experience in construction could have predicted that exposure to the outside elements would have caused deterioration to pipes, etc.
So, the answer to your question is YES. Case of tunnel vision by looking at wind tunnel tests only.
Perhaps painting the pipes in the mechanical floors would slow the deterioration.