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My gandfather was 1st generation German - American. He served in the US Army in both WWI and WWII.
As my name might suggest, I grew up Pennsylvania Dutch, most of my family has been here since the early 1700's. Our local churches gradually moved their services from German to English starting in the 1950's. Most of my parent's generation spoke the dialect, these day mostly just the Amish and a few country folk speak it regularly.
Like this video suggests, we carry on with some culture that originally came from today's Germany, but have almost no interest in Germany as such, we are deeply American for centuries and had a lot to do with what America became since the colonial days. That was quite good.
Some random thoughts: The video doesn't mention that fraternization between farmers and POWs was forbidden. Those making the rules thought that might create volatile situations where families that had sons overseas or had lost sons were hiring Germans to work, while it was also unknown how Germans would react to their American employers.. When Germans went out to work for a farmer they were given a sack lunch that was . . . how should we say it . . . inadequate? German POWs would eat these lunches at 9:30 or ten o'clock in the morning and when noon came they had nothing to eat. And the farmers' wives, looking out the window and seeing these young boys sitting around with nothing while they fed their men inside weren't going to stand for it. Because of the fraternization rule it started with them bringing plates to these men and as each side began to know each other, it quickly evolved into having them sit at the table with the family. The fraternization rule, while still on the books was then generally ignored. As the video shows, fraternization was a good thing. There was a case out here of a young POW that went to work for a farmer and it was discovered that this POW and the farmer's still living grandfather came from the same town in Germany and even had a common school teacher and acquaintances . POWs made 80 cents a day but the farmer had to pay about $6 a day for each man. The difference went to the POW camp for caring for and feeding the POWs. The large farms cited in the video were the exception rather than the rule, but the point still stands. Work hard in America and you could do very well. Although the video mentions mechanized corn pickers, picking corn was at the top of the list for the need for POWs for farm labor. Most corn was still picked by hand and with the young men gone, more hands were desperately needed to harvest the crop. POWs were largely city boys and had to be trained to work as farm labor, but they were universally found to be quick learners and hard workers. A curiosity: POWs would not sweet corn. They said it was schweinefutter (pig food) and they refused to eat it. An interesting cultural difference. After the war, some farm families sent "CARE" packages to former prisoners that had worked for them, stuffed with necessities which were nearly impossible to find in post war Germany. There's a small remnant of the POW camp at the north end of Hearne, Tx, still there and run as a small, low-budget museum.
https://camphearne.com/ My father's parents came over sometime around WWI. Never did know for sure. My father was born here and when the Germans invaded Poland he drove up to Canada and signed up for the Canadian troops going over Don't know the details, but he was shot down and in a POW camp for 2 years. Apparently the fact that he spoke German became a problem for him.
I do dispute some of this narrative though. The narrator describes meals being served to the POWs as if there was no rationing going on at the time: Butter, coffee, chocolate in abundance. But was it the case? As far as I can tell farmers were not exempted from rationing. They were still expected to grow Victory gardens, for instance. And I don't think they were given additional tires and gasoline rations. Not sure this should be taken on at face value.
If farmers raised their own livestock, they were exempt from meat rationing. They were subject to leather, sugar and rubber rationing. They were allowed all the gasoline they could use. Gasoline was rationed to save rubber. Indeed, gas rationing was ended on Aug. 15, 1845, the day Japan threw in the towel.
As for feeding the German POWs, as I understand it, they were entitled to the same food American soldiers received. Because of that they got things that the American people did not. And yes, this would have been mighty unpopular with the general public had it been widely known. Was there a daily caloric limit for German POW rations? I don't know. BTW, when German prisoners were fed at family farm tables, the family was not compensated. They did that at their own expense. I was stationed in German from 1968 to 1972. Where I worked had 14 German citizens working beside us. One man had been captured in 1942 and spent the rest of the war in a POW camp in Alabama. Another was barely 14 in 1945 but because he was a big 6'4" boy he was drafted immediately put in the SS, tattoo and all, and sent to the Eastern front to fight the Russians. In his first battle he and his entire group were captured, but it was night time and in the confusion he escaped and spent the next few weeks trying to get back to his home in West Germany. He traveled at night and hid in fields or barns during the day. He said old German women ran the farms and would feed him and hide him. When he had made it far enough to the West he encountered American forces and surrendered. He spent about a year in a POW camp. I took night college classes while there and my Physics teacher was "drafted" in 1939 to be a civilian science officer to the military. He was in the invasion into Poland and later was attached to Rommel In Africa where he was captured and sent to the U.S. not to a POW camp but under the supervision of a physics professor in NY City. There were others that had been soldiers with stories too many to tell.
Quite different than my father’s treatment in Stalag 17B where he came home at six feet tall and 114- pounds.
My father was a German POW sent to Canada by the brits. His awakening to the fraud of the Nazis was on the docks of Quebec city where the transport ship disembarked the POWs.
They were mustered into groups of 8. The Nazis whispered that it was to march them into the forest and kill them. 2 men in each group were ordered out "to get food". The Nazis whispered that 2 men could not possibly be needed to get food for 8, it was to kill them 2 at a time. Dad's group had to be beaten and forced to produce the 2. The 2 came back lugging a big steel pail nearly full of beans and sausage, far more than a group of 8 could eat. They ate what they could. The wakening came when the guards forced them to throw the leftovers, nearly half the food, off the dock into the river. Canada was so incredibly wealthy it could afford to do this. He ended the war as a cowboy working on a ranch near Brooks Alberta. The only times he tried to escape was when they told him he had to go back to Germany. It took him 4 years to get back to Canada. |
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