We are a commune of inquiring, skeptical, politically centrist, capitalist, anglophile, traditionalist New England Yankee humans, humanoids, and animals with many interests beyond and above politics. Each of us has had a high-school education (or GED), but all had ADD so didn't pay attention very well, especially the dogs. Each one of us does "try my best to be just like I am," and none of us enjoys working for others, including for Maggie, from whom we receive neither a nickel nor a dime. Freedom from nags, cranks, government, do-gooders, control-freaks and idiots is all that we ask for.
I recently "discovered" Joe Rogan's podcast after initially, wrongly, dismissing him as a crank. He's actually got an extensive archive of interesting long form interviews for which I love the podcast world for.
Peterson points out the postmodern tactic in forcing the Evergreen president to stop using his hands. All about power.
Then they immediately miss the tactic in trying to force Trump to say exactly what they want when he refused and denounce violence on both sides. He later did specify the neo-Nazis, et al, but not when they wanted. Unlike Romney, Ryan, Cruz, Rubio, etc. who all punked out and fell in line and are now known to be weak-minded in the face of a crowd.
I think they recognized this, they alluded to Trump's problem with Charlottesville, but didn't call him out for it, rather they gave him an out.
But there are 2 good reasons to not focus on Trump's issue.
1. He SHOULD have said something about the family of the deceased and called out the Nazis first, since their side did actually kill someone. This, however, is a should - we can't sit here and judge him on what he didn't do based on what we would do. It's just good common sense.
2. Giving him a clean out puts you at risk in modern society. As you point out, it's about power. I had arguments with people about the fact that Trump was, in fact, correct and pointed out that Obama was not criticized for saying 'both sides are at fault' in Ferguson. To me, there are clear differences between Ferguson and Charlottesville. To power-focused leftists, there are differences, too, but they are very different. These people have convinced a large number of the general public that the police 'caused' Ferguson. Which, of course, is absurd. But it's now entered public consciousness.
On the other hand, the left has convinced the public (through a willing and complicit media) that Charlottesville happened ONLY because of the Nazis. Except they ignore Antifa's role in provoking the incident with their own violent tactics.
This is where the posted conversation is so agreeable - that the swastika is reviled, but hammer and sickle is not. Why not? Oh, because of equity. Both Peterson and Weinstein clearly think there's a problem with this thought process, and I agree.
My view is most people who believe Fascism has sprung from the Right are ignorant. It's based on Socialist mentality. The concept of it being 'Right' is due to the fact that it's always been defined as 'right of Socialism'. But to the real 'Right' it is to the Left of where they stand.
So it's still a leftist mentality...but to the right of the far left.
You miss my point. Trump knew better than to come out with the wording and timing that was demanded. It has nothing to do with condemning white supremacy and everything to do with them wanting to dictate what was said. He had to mix up the order. That is why they were screaming so hard and so many who have not experienced being manipulated jumped on board for appearances sake. All though dressed up as some ethical matter, remember, the people doing the manipulating have no morals and their only issue is power. Power to force those "in charge" to jump on command.
When I became and XO and then a CO of a ship, I immediately had people making runs at me with "complaints". I fortunately didn't react immediately. I then realized that they were trying to get me to jump when they wanted. Often, I later implemented the desired change, but I realized the first answer should always be no, or non-committal. When I did this, and it was learned, I stopped getting desperate pleas, I did get rational requests, my life was easier.
What they tried with Trump was the same thing only writ large. He, as a man whose run many a project, instinctively knew not to give them exactly what they wanted at least on their schedule. Yes, there stakes were high so they tried "public opinion" manipulation, but Trump held fast and in the long run, he will have an easier time as they'll know that he is not manipulable.
Mark my words, Romney, Ryan, Cruz, Rubio, etc., assuming they stay in positions of power are going to be faced with future calls, but for something that totally compromises them as conservatives or Republicans. They showed they will jump when told to jump.
I agree that the media/power brokers were demanding language they felt was 'correct'. Unfortunately for Trump, many people happen to agree with them (my own wife, for example).
It's one thing to behave, as you did, as XO or CO of a ship that requires order. But the president does not have that luxury. The primary role of a politician is sensitivity to all the primary issues surrounding an event.
You'll note that neither Peterson or Weinstein said Trump was 'wrong'. They did allude to the fact that he handled the situation poorly, and I happen to agree.
It's got nothing to do with saying what I WANT him to say, it has everything to do with acknowledging the obvious, and doing so in a proper fashion as a leader.
My point is that Obama was VERY wrong saying "there is a problem with both sides" in Ferguson. Why? Because while that is true, the problem as it existed (rioting) was only with one side. The other problem (occasional police abuse - which DOES happen) needed to be dealt with, but that wasn't the main problem at the time.
The same with Trump. He got in trouble because he doesn't get the same leeway Obama did. That's 90% of the issue. But he also said the wrong thing which was similar to what Obama said - "there is a problem with both sides".
In each case, the proper answer of the president is calling out the dangerous and obviously illegal acts and behaviors FIRST, consoling the victims, and then strenuously pointing out that there are blowback issues which created the event in the first place.