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Wednesday, October 12. 2011Doc's Computin' Corner: Windows 8
If you have a tablet computer, I hastily add.
The above picture is a standard install. Here's a nicely-tweaked system:
The one (apparent) downside to the 'quickie' areas is that they're too simplistic. The weather just gives a few stats, but no radar map where you can gauge any oncoming rain clouds, which might be the most common reason to suddenly want to check the weather on the road. So, you end up using a regular browser to access your usual weather site. Ditto the 'Stocks' area, and the 'News' feeds are restricted to just what's listed, and the little synopsis in the small tablet box usually doesn't say enough to explain what the article is about. I say 'apparent' because it's important to bear in mind that this is a 'developers version', so a number of things could be improved when the real deal comes along. And for you history buffs, there's also this strange, archaic 'Desktop' button which reels you back in time to a day and age when they used a "mouse" to operate "icons". Your grandparents can tell you about it. But, should by off chance you want to use this doddering, anachronistic 'Desktop' area, it's Win7 right down to the exit sound. Didn't see any dif except in one program and one major negative design issue, which, again, might be ironed out in the finalized version. It's free to download and test out. Links and a guide are below the fold. There are two ways you can install this beast: 1. You can install it like normal on a hard drive partition. 2. You can install it on your present system as a 'virtual hard drive', which means it's all software-driven, so there's no fussing with drives and partitions. There are good and bad sides to both: — If you're going to install it like normal, you'll need a blank partition with at least 20 gigs free, and if you only have one hard drive (which means you'll be overwriting your present C Drive), you'll have to know how to reinstall your original system when you're through with the evaluation. If you're using a second drive, you'll need to know how to go into the BIOS to have the system boot from that drive instead of your regular drive. Both are explained below. — If you're going to use the 'virtual' method, be forewarned that it'll operate very sluggishly because it's reading everything from one gigantic data file. It also can't use all of your system memory because you have to leave a big chunk of it so your normal system still works. The plus side is that it's fairly quick to install and uninstall. In short, if all you want to do is take it out for a quick spin, use the 'virtual' method. If you're planning on installing programs and putting it through its paces, install it the normal way. The Download First, download the proper evaluation file. Skip the first one, with the developers' tools. As far as the 32-bit and 64-bit packages go: — If you're going to use the 'virtual' method, pick the bit type that matches your Windows. If you're unsure, right-click on 'Computer' and open Properties. You'll see it on the 'System type' line. — If you're going to install it on a blank partition, I'd suggest the 32-bit version. I had some networking issues with the 64-bit version. If you're planning on installing some 64-bit-only programs, grab the big guy. Download the proper file. They're fairly hefty so it might take a while. Standard Hard Drive Install There are two installation modes, 'Update' and 'Clean' (a fresh install). Unfortunately, 'Update' does to a Win7 system what Win7 and Vista did to a WinXP system — obliterates it. It copies everything in the 'Program Files' folder to a 'Windows.old' folder, and almost nothing works because their settings aren't in the Registry. So the whole thing is kind of pointless. If you want to try the 'Update' routine, you'll need 16 gigs free on the C Drive. You update it by burning the downloaded ISO file to a DVD disc, then booting up the main system and running the disc. If you're going to do a clean install on your C Drive, you'll need some kind of backup program to first make an image file of your system so you can restore it when you're through with the evaluation. I usually use a program called True Image for my backups. Instead of a commercial program, you can use the 'Backup and Restore' function on the Control Panel. Open the program and click on 'Create a system image'. It's going to make a fairly large file (21 gigs in my case), so select a partition with lots of room. On the next panel, the C Drive should be automatically checked. It'll make a folder called 'WindowsImageBackup' on the root of the hard drive. Don't change the name or move the folder. You then need to click on 'Create a system repair disc' to make a boot-up CD or DVD for the restoration process. You boot up from the disc, tell it you want to use your own backup file, then select the drive the file is on. It'll find it for you. Select the file and it'll restore the original system. If you're doing a fresh install on a second drive, it should have a blank partition with at least 20 gigs free. If you're planning on installing programs, give it 30 gigs. When you get to the first green setup screen during the install, enter the name of the computer, like 'Win8'. On the next screen, select 'Customize'. On the first 'Settings' screen, click 'Next'. On the second one, slide all four gadgets to the left to disable them. On the third screen, hit 'Next'. Put in your user name and that's it. If a box pops open saying your Windows needs to be 'authenticated', it should self-authenticate after you get online. You might also see the warning at the top of the Control Panel. You'll need to go into the BIOS to change the drive order so the system will boot from that drive, rather than your regular drive. The BIOS is accessed immediately after the computer starts. It usually says on the screen what key accesses it, usually the F1, F2 or Delete key. You'll then use the arrow keys to navigate to the 'Startup' panel, then there should be some kind of 'Primary Drive Sequence' section you enter with the Enter key, then something like 'Hard Disk Drives' which displays the order of drives the computer boots from. Using the arrow keys (or possibly the Page Up and Page Down keys) and the Enter key, get your second drive at the top of the list. When you're finished with the evaluation, change the BIOS back and just reformat the partition to erase the whole mess. For tips on running Win8, see below. ![]() Running Win8 From A Virtual Drive This is pretty slick in the sense that you don't have to fiddle with drives and partitions, but the hitch is that parts of it run real sluggishly. You'll need at least 20 gigs of hard drive space free on one of your drives. It only does a clean install, so if you're planning on installing test programs, give it 30 gigs when it comes up in the install process. The default is 20. You first need to install the VirtualBox program. Click 'Downloads' on the left, then the first file of the four listed. It's a standard Next-Next-Next install. You'll be hit with four small 'Install' boxes along the way. To install the downloaded Win8 file, click 'New' in the VirtualBox program. Put in a name for the virtual drive, like 'Win8', then down below select 'Windows 7' if you're running a 32-bit Windows, 'Windows 7 (64-bit)' if a 64-bit system. On the 'Memory' panel, if you have 4 gigs of mem, split it with the Win8 file. Your own system will still probably run fine. If you have 2 gigs, split it with the Win8 file but don't plan on using your own system while Win8 is running or you may run out of memory. If you're unsure how much memory you have, right-click on 'Computer' and open its Properties. Next-Next-Next to the 'Virtual disk file location and size' panel. Click on the small folder icon and navigate to a drive with at least 20 gigs free on it. You can make a folder to hold the image file if you want. The actual name of the image file is embedded in the requester so don't touch it. Finish up the routine and you're back on VirtualBox. Highlight the new Win8 entry and click 'Start'. This is akin to booting up from the install disc. Historical Note: Back when Win95 came out, almost every device (printer, scanner, ROM drive, etc) had an accompanying floppy disk with a driver file. When you ran the disk, it usually said something like "To Continue, Press Any Key". The #1 question for tech support at the time from confused customers? "Where's the 'Any' key?" Warning: Don't click outside of the Win8 box during this next part or you might lose control of the mouse pointer. Once it's installed, it'll go directly to the Tablet-top when you first start it up in VirtualBox. Tip: Hit Right-Ctrl-F for full-screen mode, again to go back to window mode. It'll remember which mode you left it in when it boots up next time. You'll normally want to run it in full-screen mode so you can access buttons down at the bottom of the screen. As I mentioned, some aspects of the virtual version are real slow, particularly starting up the Tablet-top items. It might take upward of a minute for Internet Explorer to load, depending upon a handful of factors. The hard drive light on your tower should be blinking like crazy as things load up. If it's not, the program has probably hung. In non-full screen mode, there's an icon down in the SysTray that blinks with hard drive activity. If it's blinking, that means it's still loading up. After you're through with the evaluation, right-click on the Win8 entry in VirtualBox, select 'Remove', then 'Delete all files' and it's history. Then use Control Panel, 'Programs and Features', to remove the VirtualBox program. Using Windows 8 Hit the Windows key (next to the Alt key) to return to Tablet Mode from a specific function. The Esc key also works in some cases. There's no Start Menu. This means you either have to find every program with Windows Explorer and make a shortcut icon for the Desktop, or open 'Computer' and do a search for the program. It's kind of bizarre, to say the least. As a quick example, I wanted to make a simple screen-grab at one point. It was a test system, so I was just going to dump the screen shot into lowly Paint and save it. And all I had to do was: 1. Laboriously hit the Print/Scrn key Piece o' cake. The good news is that you can install Classic Start Menu, the replacement Start Menu for Win7, and that works. Kind of. Normally, clicking on the Windows symbol on the very upper-left of the Desktop brings you back to the Tablet-top, like hitting the Windows key does. The problem is that once you run Classic Start Menu, the symbol now becomes a (real) Start Menu, plus the Windows key doesn't work anymore, so you can't get back to the Tablet-top. You have to shut down Classic Start Menu to get back. That means that you'd have to re-start Classic Start Menu every time you returned to the Desktop. But at least it works. Kind of. After the Tablet-top first appears, you might need to adjust the screen's resolution. Click (or tap, if you must) on the Desktop area, then the right mouse button, 'Screen resolution', select your normal screen resolution. If you're (actually) using a tablet (and don't have a right mouse button), go to the Control Panel on the Tablet-top, 'More settings', 'Display', 'Adjust resolution'. When it comes to accessing the Internet, you might run into a few quirks. My Verizon Wireless, for example, takes (cough!) over two minutes to 'authenticate'. Normally, it takes about 10 seconds. Also, some of the functions (like 'Weather') don't have a 'Refresh' option, so if you're not connected and you get a 'can't find Internet' message, they still won't connect even after you get online. So if you have a system (like wireless) where you have to run a program to get online, run it first. I never did get the 'Stocks' function to connect on the hard drive installations (I tried a clean 32-bit, 64-bit, and a 32-bit Upgrade). A box displayed noting it couldn't get online, even though the Weather, News, etc, worked fine. I gather this is because it's looking for an Internet connection (like cable) as it's booting up. Works fine on the virtual drive system because the Internet is already connected when it's booted up. To access the regular Control Panel, click (or tap, if you insist) the 'Control Panel' button on the Tablet-top, then 'More Settings' down at the bottom. To access the Task Manager from the Desktop, right-click on the Task Bar and open it. It defaults to a 'simple' view, which I suppose is good for the newbies. To access a program that somewhat resembles the old Task Manager, click on 'More details'. Apart from the lack of a Start Menu, this was the only dif I could find between this system and a regular Win7 system. In order to save any Windows settings (icon placement, window size, etc), you need to shut down Windows correctly: — If you're using VirtualBox and it's in full-screen mode, use Right-Ctrl-F to put it into (non-full-screen) window mode so you can access the window's 'close' gadget on the upper-right, then click it to close the system. In the box that pops up, it should be 'Send the shut-down signal'. If it ever fails to shut down, bail out and use the third option. In that case, any system settings won't be saved, so the next time you boot up and think, "Hey, I thought I already changed that," it's because the system got hung up (not uncommon with the virtual version) and you used the bail-out option to shut down. — If it's a regular system, shutting down the computer is quite easy compared to the bad old days when it took an entire mouse click. To shut down the new, improved, sleeker, meaner, stronger, faster Windows 8, merely: 1. Trepidatiously click on the 'user' icon on the top right Do it fifty or sixty times and it'll become second nature. On a normal install, if one of the 'quickie' functions hangs up (I had problems with 'News' just going to a 'Loading...' screen on the 64-bit system), it's possible/probable the 'Logging off' screen will also hang up. It should only take about 10 seconds to get through. If it hangs up, just power down the computer manually. As far as the News Feeds go, uh, you're not one of those picky 'Conservatives', are you? If so, well, let's hope you don't mind getting your news from four of the most liberal news sources in the galaxy, MSNBC, NPR, PBS and CBS. There are lots of 'feeds' to choose from, but those are the only four listed under 'News'. Hopefully, there'll be a way to add new feeds in the final product.
Bug Report Apart from the Stocks feature not connecting on my hard drive tests, and the lack of a Start Menu on the Desktop, the only other flaw I saw is that it appears to continue running (in the background) whatever Tablet-top item you start. There are a bunch of goodies over to the right, like games, a playable piano, memo pad, etc, and once you run them, they still appear to be running according to the Alt-Tab key combo, burning up system resources like memory. Also, if one of them is making an audio sound, the sound continues to play ever after you go back to the Tablet-top screen. There might be a way to shut these things down, but I never figured it out. I imagine the beta-testers will bitch about it and they'll put an official 'Close' gadget on each program. They'll also have to do something about the lack of a Start Menu. Summation For Desktop use, I can't see any reason to upgrade from Win7, since it's still Win7. If you have an older OS, then it's simply a matter of whether or not you'll use the tablet part. If not, then just upgrade to regular Win7. If you're planning on installing it on both a tablet and desktop computer, then it's simply a matter of clicking the Desktop icon when it first boots up on the desktop computer. Since Classic Start Menu will (in theory) be running, you won't be able to get back to the tablet-top anyway, so it'll just act like a normal desktop computer at that point. My only real beef is that they should have named it 'Windows Tablet'. Calling it 'Windows 8' gives the impression that it's an actual upgrade of the operating system, but such is hardly the case. They basically just added a GUI and a few 'feeds'. Any questions, ask away.
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I'm a PC guy and I use Microsoft products - although I have switched from MS's Office to Open Office which I like a whole lot better to tell the truth.
However, I'm sticking with XP Pro and probably will until it just won't work anymore or I get a completely new computer. I just recently upgraded the mother board, video and memory on my desktop tower, but I like XP Pro, it has served me well over the years and frankly, I don't like Windows 7 - its the grumpy old curmudgeon in me. I don't fear "change" if you will - I just think that changing for change sake is a waste of time - it works why fix it? :>) In any case, I am looking at an Android tablet so I won't have to deal with Windows anything. Is there any possibility that you might be persuaded to do a tablet review in the future? I'm thinking Android based tablets here - if you want to include the iPad fine, but I'm of the opinion that with Jobs gone, Apple is going to return to the old Apple so I want to stay away. The Apple iPhone 4 upgrade debacle is the first warning that all is now well in the Apple innovation department. I can certainly relate to sticking by WinXP. I did throughout the Vista years. I used Vista once for about a week, just to write my review on it (and dismantle the entire "Vista is bloated" meme in the process), but usually it takes a desire to run a program that only works on the newer OS. I got driven to WinXP because I just HAD to run Sony's DVD Architect, the coolest DVD-making program to hit the scene yet.
With Win7, it was Google Earth Pro, and the fact that it ran like shit (freeze up, slower) on my XP system so I finally took the plunge to Win7. By the same token, I then spent innumerable hours tracking down the Registry tweaks to compensate for the options they'd removed since WinXP. It wasn't pretty, but had to be done. "Is there any possibility that you might be persuaded to do a tablet review in the future?" Only if "persuaded" means being shipped one for free. :) Otherwise, I don't have any use for one, and that part above about "no radar map" was based on a real life experience -- given that I'm living in the heart of squall country. And if all I'm going to do is use the tablet for Internet Explorer so I can access my usual weather site, I might as well just use my laptop. On the weather thing, if you have a smart phone Weatherbug Elite is 'da bomb. Although I'm not sure how it would work for you - probably not if you are out beyond the 12 mile international limit. But I love it and it's been a real help out on the lake.
And I don't know if you are aware of this, but Navionics has their marine chartplotting software available for iPhone and Android phones. This is something I really like as a back up GPS system. You may now return to your regularly scheduled computer posting. :>) If you were really a "PC guy" you'd know that XP has major shortcomings and its replacement (Vista, and now W7) was overdue.
Vista isn't perfect, it's a resource hog, but it's a major improvement over XP for stability and security. W7 is a major improvement on that. The ONLY reasons to stick with XP are either when you're running mission critical systems that won't work with Vista or W7 (they're rare, even rarer when they can't be upgraded to versions that do work) or when you're running really old hardware that simply isn't up to the task of running anything newer (in which case, if you're a "PC guy" you should have upgraded long ago). I use 7, and I'm not about to change to 8. I like what 7 does for me, 8 looks like a monumental pain in the tuches.
I rather like this Zits strip from a couple of weeks ago Doc.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/artsandliving/comics/king.html?name=Zits&date=20110930 Feebs - Nice cartoon. I'd like to chat more, but there's a fresh "The Desktop Computer is Dead" article on MSNBC I need to read. I mean, when you've been hearing the same thing for a decade, it kind of takes on the role of 'tradition' at some point. I'd hate to miss one, especially with another decade of 'tradition' to go.
Randy - "looks like a monumental pain in the tuches." I believe you meant "touches". :) Hah! Maybe.
Yeah, the desktop is dead the same way this is the decade of the Electric Car. The same way it's been the decade of the Electric Car since, oh, 1910 or so. Journalists are idiots. I hope I will not be forced to actually use WIn8.
I downloaded the developer version, eventually will look at it to see if any of the useful tools (if there are such) can be stripped for my own use. Now all I need is a 10Gig CD... I haven't used the Start Menu since 98SE. Yes, building a folder and getting shortcuts into it sounds painful - but I only use about forty and it is really not as difficult as it sounds (with one exception - a program I use often has, in its Programs folder. five "exe" entries with cryptic names) and the result is lots easier to use. My biggest complaint is probably that as of Win7 SEARCH has lost an important (to me) function - specifying type. Previously search allowed me to look for text or video files (or other types) only, now I may have to page through dozens of DLL, BAK, etc listings. "Now all I need is a 10Gig CD..."
That was kind of weird, wasn't it? Do they think we all have dual-layer burners out here? Why, again, should we? Because we have so darn many 6-gig data files we need to store? They should have put the developer's tool in a separate download. (pause) Or maybe they're trying to weed out the riff-raff. :) no, they never intended this version to be archived by users, as it's a demo/test version that's likely going to be changed and updated regularly.
It wasn't a case of "archving", it was simply that you couldn't do an 'Update' with the Developers Tools version unless you had a pro burner that would burn 9-gig discs. That's how the updates routine is done, from disc.
And when someone like Tom says he's a "PC guy", he's NOT claiming he's some kind of devout geek, he's merely saying he's not a Mac user. Lighten up, will ya? This looks exactly like the Win 7 phone I helped my stepson get. (A Samsung Focus and it seems like a good fit for him.) The tiles work well on the phone although they need to do a bit of work on the idea. I'd think this will be good on the tablet as well. I do tech support via phone and it seems to me that MS is trying hard to bury a lot of functionality. Maybe they think it will help them be successful against Apple. Who knows? I just know it takes twice as long to walk people through troubleshooting on Win 7 vs XP. No reason at all for it that I can see.
Sweet, sweet baby jebus. Here we fking go again. Same shit since 95 came out. Same complaints, same worries, same FUD, same baseless speculation.
Do us all a favor--all of you. Take your computer, open your window, and chuck it out. Get a pad and a pencil... no, wait, a slab of rock and a chisel, and be done with it. Actually, we already have a rock and chisel. It's called "text messaging". Picture an ancient Egyptian taking a big chisel and hammer and carving out one letter at a time. BANG! BANG! BANG! There's a 'T'. BANG! BANG! BANG! There an 'h'. BANG! BANG! BANG! There's an 'e'.
Text messaging is the digital equivalent of that. Come a long ways, haven't we? But, just to note, the point of the article was that unless you have a tablet computer, this was NOT a case of "here we go again". Upgrading from Win7 to Win7 just because it says 'Win8' on the box would be moronic. |

